If a woman wants to have an abortion but her family strongly objects to it, and would hurt emotionally from it - should she still be able to have that abortion?
About abortion? That's not my topic here so I didn't answer you.
But if you want to go down that road, it's interesting to consider the pregnant woman is not trying to have herself killed or kill herself, but end a pregnancy for reasons and at stages your simple scenario doesn't describe. Doing so can be read as controlling her own body but remaining and desiring to remain alive. Then there's the question of when someone personally or religiously vs when the law, biology, or medical ethics holds that personhood, etc., begins. Not really a good comparison, in my view.
All that said, If you want to discuss abortion, then please do so elsewhere. I comment on MAiD.
My point is that if a family holds a religious and moral objection to a medical procedure (E/AS in this case), and would be hurt/traumatised by it even if the patient themselves qualifies and has the competence and decision-making capacity, should it still be allowed? You argue that it shouldn't be permitted for E/AS, but it should be allowed for other procedures. I disagree as this would prohibit many acts in healthcare/medicine.
"But if you want to go down that road, it's interesting to consider the pregnant woman is not trying to have herself killed or kill herself, but end a pregnancy for reasons and at stages your simple scenario doesn't describe. Doing so can be read as controlling her own body but remaining and desiring to remain alive."
This is completely irrelevant and does not answer my question unless you believe that any person seeking to end their life for any reason including medical causes ( such as an illness, disorder, or disability in this case) is "unsound" and irrational simply because they seek to end their lives. You bring up the 'right to life' in past entries. The RTL means that nobody else can deprive you of your life; It doesn't mean that you cannot deprive yourself of your life. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a right but an obligation. An obligation to life. Case in point: we allow a ton of activities and behaviours in society that risks life, or considerably shortens it.
So again, if people are permitted to receive other procedures where there's a risk of trauma to families, why shouldn't it be allowed for E/AS in cases of great suffering from medical conditions that aren't alleviated by treatments?
"Witnessing or being close to someone dying by homicide or suicide is traumatic. "
I've cited an ample amount of studies that show this isn't the case for the great majority of E/AS cases. You avoid the question again.
There exists a non-significant amount of family members that are deeply hurt, and traumatised by their daughter's/wife's decision to terminate a pregnancy. You argue that it should still be permitted because they don't seek to end their own lives. You fail to state why this matters, however. Why is ending your life always seen as a bad thing to you?
May 14, 2023·edited May 14, 2023Liked by Christopher Lyon
Thank you, Mr. Lyon for your commentary on MAID and euthanasia. You speak with truth about the dangers about MAID and stealth euthanasia. No matter, how it's framed as "patient autonomy" it's still the practice of culling and killing the vulnerable. Evil and cruel.
My beloved mother was euthanized in January 2020 at a hospice in St. Paul, MN/USA. She wasn't in an active state of dying when she was admitted to the facility. My mother died horrifically by toxic drugs, dehydration and malnutrition. It was gut wrenching watching in horror as my mother died in this manner.
Three years after her death, I'm still traumatized. Our U.S. corporate "healthcare" is now a system that treats based on the dollars rather than ethics and morality, let alone the patient's actual healthcare needs. It's chilling and horrific that the culture of death is so deeply entrenched in our world.
Thank you. I am so sorry about your mother. The motivation for my interest in MAiD is the euthanasia of my father nearly two years ago, also under horrific and traumatic circumstances.
Thank you for another thoughtful and informative post. Your well-researched response to this odious set of ideas is important and timely.
Thank you, Patricia. I really appreciate the work you do as well.
If a woman wants to have an abortion but her family strongly objects to it, and would hurt emotionally from it - should she still be able to have that abortion?
Still no reply?
About abortion? That's not my topic here so I didn't answer you.
But if you want to go down that road, it's interesting to consider the pregnant woman is not trying to have herself killed or kill herself, but end a pregnancy for reasons and at stages your simple scenario doesn't describe. Doing so can be read as controlling her own body but remaining and desiring to remain alive. Then there's the question of when someone personally or religiously vs when the law, biology, or medical ethics holds that personhood, etc., begins. Not really a good comparison, in my view.
All that said, If you want to discuss abortion, then please do so elsewhere. I comment on MAiD.
My point is that if a family holds a religious and moral objection to a medical procedure (E/AS in this case), and would be hurt/traumatised by it even if the patient themselves qualifies and has the competence and decision-making capacity, should it still be allowed? You argue that it shouldn't be permitted for E/AS, but it should be allowed for other procedures. I disagree as this would prohibit many acts in healthcare/medicine.
"But if you want to go down that road, it's interesting to consider the pregnant woman is not trying to have herself killed or kill herself, but end a pregnancy for reasons and at stages your simple scenario doesn't describe. Doing so can be read as controlling her own body but remaining and desiring to remain alive."
This is completely irrelevant and does not answer my question unless you believe that any person seeking to end their life for any reason including medical causes ( such as an illness, disorder, or disability in this case) is "unsound" and irrational simply because they seek to end their lives. You bring up the 'right to life' in past entries. The RTL means that nobody else can deprive you of your life; It doesn't mean that you cannot deprive yourself of your life. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a right but an obligation. An obligation to life. Case in point: we allow a ton of activities and behaviours in society that risks life, or considerably shortens it.
So again, if people are permitted to receive other procedures where there's a risk of trauma to families, why shouldn't it be allowed for E/AS in cases of great suffering from medical conditions that aren't alleviated by treatments?
Witnessing or being close to someone dying by homicide or suicide is traumatic. That's E/AS when you strip away the rhetoric and euphemisms.
"Witnessing or being close to someone dying by homicide or suicide is traumatic. "
I've cited an ample amount of studies that show this isn't the case for the great majority of E/AS cases. You avoid the question again.
There exists a non-significant amount of family members that are deeply hurt, and traumatised by their daughter's/wife's decision to terminate a pregnancy. You argue that it should still be permitted because they don't seek to end their own lives. You fail to state why this matters, however. Why is ending your life always seen as a bad thing to you?
Remarkable.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00302228221085191
https://econtent.hogrefe.com/doi/abs/10.1027/0227-5910/a000630?journalCode=cri
https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-022-04098-5
https://www.smw.ch/index.php/smw/article/view/1365 (this one looks at why a minority of family members develop PTSD following AS in Switzerland that was noted in your paper)
Thank you, Mr. Lyon for your commentary on MAID and euthanasia. You speak with truth about the dangers about MAID and stealth euthanasia. No matter, how it's framed as "patient autonomy" it's still the practice of culling and killing the vulnerable. Evil and cruel.
My beloved mother was euthanized in January 2020 at a hospice in St. Paul, MN/USA. She wasn't in an active state of dying when she was admitted to the facility. My mother died horrifically by toxic drugs, dehydration and malnutrition. It was gut wrenching watching in horror as my mother died in this manner.
Three years after her death, I'm still traumatized. Our U.S. corporate "healthcare" is now a system that treats based on the dollars rather than ethics and morality, let alone the patient's actual healthcare needs. It's chilling and horrific that the culture of death is so deeply entrenched in our world.
Thank you. I am so sorry about your mother. The motivation for my interest in MAiD is the euthanasia of my father nearly two years ago, also under horrific and traumatic circumstances.
My heartfelt condolences for the loss of your father. I've shared your commentary on FB page. I look forward to more of your articles.